XtremeData
Analysis of XtremeData Inc. and its DBx data warehouse appliances. Related subjects include:
Notes and links October 10 2010
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Links and observations
I’m back from a trip to the SF Bay area, with a lot of writing ahead of me. I’ll dive in with some quick comments here, then write at greater length about some of these points when I can. From my trip: Read more
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XtremeData update
I talked with Geno Valente of XtremeData tonight. Highlights included:
- XtremeData still hasn’t sold any dbX stuff (they’ve had a side business in generic FPGA-based boards paying the bills for years). Well, there may have been some paid POCs (proofs of concept) or something, but real sales haven’t come through yet.
- XtremeData does have three prospects who have said “Yes”, and expects one order to come through this month.
- XtremeData continues to believe it shines when:
- Data models are complex
- In particular, there are complex joins
- In particular, two large tables have to be joined with each other, under circumstances where no product can avoid doing vast data redistribution
- XtremeData insists that all the nice things Bill Inmon – including in webinars — has said about it has not been for pay or other similar business compensation. That’s quite unusual.
- XtremeData is coming out with a new product, codenamed the Personal Data Warehouse (PDW), which:
- Is ready to go into beta test
- Should be launched in a month and a half or so
- Will have a different name when it is launched
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“The Netezza price point”
Over the past couple of years, quite a few data warehouse appliance or DBMS vendors have talked to me directly in terms of “Netezza’s price point,” or some similar phrase. Some have indicated that they’re right around the Netezza price point, but think their products are superior to Netezza’s. Others have stressed the large gap between their price and Netezza’s. But one way or the other, “Netezza’s price” has been an industry metric.
One reason everybody talks about the “Netezza (list) price” is that it hasn’t been changing much, seemingly staying stable at $50-60K/terabyte for a long time. And thus Teradata’s 2550 and Oracle’s larger-disk Exadata configuration — both priced more or less in the same range — have clearly been price-competitive with Netezza since their respective introductions.
That just changed. Netezza is cutting its pricing to the $20K/terabyte range imminently, with further cuts to come. So where does that leave competitors?
- The Teradata 1550 is in the Netezza price range (still a little below, actually).
- Oracle basically has nothing price-competitive with Netezza.
- Microsoft has stated it plans to introduce Madison below the old DATAllegro price points; conceivably, that could be competitive with Netezza’s new pricing, although I haven’t checked as to how much it now costs simply to buy a lot of SQL Server licenses (which presumably would be a Madison lower bound, and might except for hardware be the whole thing, since Microsoft likes to create large product bundles).
- XtremeData just launched in the new Netezza price range.
- Troubled Dataupia is hard to judge. While on the surface Dataupia’s prices sound very low, you can’t use a Dataupia box unless you also have a brand-name DBMS (license and hardware) alongside it. That obviously affects total cost significantly.
- Kickfire seems unaffected, as it doesn’t and most likely won’t compete with Netezza (different database size ranges).
- For the most part, software-only vendors are free to adapt or not as they choose. Hardware prices generally don’t need to be over $10K/terabyte, and in some cases could be a lot less. So the question is how far they’re willing to discount their software.
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XtremeData announces its DBx data warehouse appliance
XtremeData is announcing its DBx data warehouse appliance today. Highlights include: Read more
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Xtreme Data readies a different kind of FPGA-based data warehouse appliance
Xtreme Data called me to talk about its plans in the data warehouse appliance business, almost all details of which are currently embargoed. Still, a few points may be worth noting ahead of more precise information, namely:
- Xtreme Data’s basic idea is to take a custom board and build a data warehouse appliance around it.
- An Xtreme Data board looks a lot like a conventional two-socket board, but has only one four-core CPU. In addition, it sports some FPGAs (Field-Programmable Gate Arrays).
- In the Xtreme Data appliance, the FPGAs will be used for core SQL processing, after the data is ingested via conventional I/O. This is different from Netezza’s approach to FPGA-based data warehouse appliances, in which the FPGA sits in the place of a disk controller and touches the data first, before passing it off to a more or less conventional CPU.
- While preparing entry into the data warehouse appliance business, Xtreme Data has sold its board to 150 other outfits, many quite impressive. Buyers seem to be FPGA users who previously had to craft their own custom boards. According to Xtreme Data, major uses by these customers include:
- Military/intelligence/digital signal processing.
- Military/intelligence/cybersecurity (a newish area for Xtreme Data)
- Bioinformatics/high-throughput gene sequencing (a “handful” of customers)
- Medical imaging
- More or less pure university research of various sorts (around 50 customers)
- … but not database management.
- Xtreme Data’s website has a non-obvious URL. 🙂
So far as I can tell, Xtreme Data’s 1.0 product will — like most other 1.0 analytic database management products — be focused on price/performance, without little or no positive differentiation in the way of features.