Comments on the 2012 Forrester Wave: Enterprise Hadoop Solutions
Forrester has released its Q1 2012 Forrester Wave: Enterprise Hadoop Solutions. (Googling turns up a direct link, but in case that doesn’t prove stable, here also is a registration-required link from IBM’s Conor O’Mahony.) My comments include:
- The Forrester Wave’s relative vendor rankings are meaningless, in that the document compares apples, peaches, almonds, and peanuts. Apparently, it covers any vendor that includes a distribution of Apache Hadoop MapReduce into something it offers, and that offered at least two (not necessarily full production) references for same.
- The Forrester Wave for “enterprise Hadoop” contradicts itself on the subject of Hortonworks.
- The Forrester Wave for “enterprise Hadoop” is correct when it says “Hortonworks … has Hadoop training and professional services offerings that are still embryonic.”
- Peculiarly, the Forrester Wave for “enterprise Hadoop” also says “Hortonworks offers an impressive Hadoop professional services portfolio”. Hortonworks will likely win one or more nice partnership deals with vendors in adjacent fields, but even so its professional services capabilities are … well, a good word might be “embryonic”.
- Forrester Waves always seem to have weird implicit definitions of “data warehousing”. This one is no exception.
- Forrester gave top marks in “Functionality” to 11 of 13 “enterprise Hadoop” vendors. This seems odd.
- I don’t know why MapR, which doesn’t like HDFS (Hadoop Distributed File System), got top marks in “Subproject integration”.
- Forrester gave top marks in “Storage” to Datameer. It also gave higher marks to MapR than to EMC Greenplum, even though EMC Greenplum’s technology is a superset of MapR’s. Very strange. (Edit: Actually, as per a comment below, there is some uncertainty about the EMC/MapR relationship.)
- Forrester gave higher marks in “Acceleration and optimization” to Hortonworks than to Cloudera and IBM, and higher marks yet to Pentaho. Very odd.
- I’m not sure what Forrester is calling a “Distributed EDW file store connector”, but it sounds like something that Cloudera has provided via partnership to a number of analytic DBMS vendors.
- Forrester’s “Strategy” rankings seem to correlate to a metric of “We’re a large enough vendor to go in N directions at once”, for various values of N.
- Forrester is correct to rank Cloudera’s “Adoption” as being stronger than EMC/Greenplum’s or MapR’s. But Hortonworks’ strong mark for “Adoption” baffles me.
| Categories: Cloudera, Data warehousing, EMC, Greenplum, Hadoop, Hortonworks, MapR, MapReduce, Pentaho | 11 Comments |
Notes on the Oracle Big Data Appliance
Oracle announced its Big Data Appliance. Specs may be found in the Oracle Big Data Appliance press release. Beyond that:
- The most important software on the Oracle Big Data Appliance is a full set of Cloudera Enterprise code. Oracle will do Tier 1 Cloudera/Hadoop support, while Cloudera handles Tiers 2 and 3.
- The key spec ratios are 1 core/4 GB RAM/3 TB raw disk. That’s reasonably in line with Cloudera figures I published in June, 2010.
- This is really Oracle’s multi-structured big data appliance. Oracle’s relational big data appliance is Exadata, which has been out for years and has comparable capacity to Oracle’s new “Big Data Appliance.” (Chris Preimesberger made a similar point.)
- The Oracle Big Data Appliance list price is $450,000 for 18 12-core servers, plus $54,000/year maintenance.
- That’s around $25,000 per server (and associated storage).
- That’s also around $2,000/core.
- That’s also around $500/TB of spinning disk, before compression.
- None of those per-unit figures sounds ridiculous …
- … but because of Oracle’s appliance configuration there’s indeed a hefty minimum initial purchase.
A couple of links explaining Cloudera Manager
Predictably, I wasn’t pre-briefed on the details of Oracle’s Big Data Appliance announcement today, and an inquiry to partner Cloudera doesn’t happen to have been immediately answered.* But anyhow, it’s clear from coverage by Larry Dignan and Derrick Harris that Oracle’s Big Data Appliance includes:
- Some version of Cloudera Manager (I’m guessing more or less the best one).*
- Some version of Apache Hadoop (I’m guessing the same distribution that Cloudera prefers to use).*
- Some kind of support.
In other words, it’s a lot like getting Cloudera Enterprise,* plus some hardware, plus some other stuff.
*Edit: About 2 minutes after I posted this, I got email from Cloudera CEO Mike Olson. Yes, the Oracle Big Data Appliance bundles Cloudera Enterprise.
That raises an anyway recurring question: What exactly is Cloudera Manager? Read more
NoSQL notes
Last week I visited with James Phillips of Couchbase, Max Schireson and Eliot Horowitz of 10gen, and Todd Lipcon, Eric Sammer, and Omer Trajman of Cloudera. I guess it’s time for a round-up NoSQL post. 🙂
Views of the NoSQL market horse race are reasonably consistent, with perhaps some elements of “Where you stand depends upon where you sit.”
- As James tells it, NoSQL is simply a three-horse race between Couchbase, MongoDB, and Cassandra.
- Max would include HBase on the list.
- Further, Max pointed out that metrics such as job listings suggest MongoDB has the most development activity, and Couchbase/Membase/CouchDB perhaps have less.
- The Cloudera guys remarked on some serious HBase adopters.*
- Everybody I spoke with agreed that Riak had little current market presence, although some Basho guys could surely be found who’d disagree.
| Categories: Basho and Riak, Cassandra, Cloudera, Clustering, Couchbase, HBase, Market share and customer counts, MongoDB, NoSQL, Open source, Oracle, Parallelization | 12 Comments |
Cloudera versus Hortonworks
A few weeks ago I wrote:
The other big part of Hortonworks’ story is the claim that it holds the axe in Apache Hadoop development.
and
… just how dominant Hortonworks really is in core Hadoop development is a bit unclear. Meanwhile, Cloudera people seem to be leading a number of Hadoop companion or sub-projects, including the first two I can think of that relate to Hadoop integration or connectivity, namely Sqoop and Flume. So I’m not persuaded that the “we know this stuff better” part of the Hortonworks partnering story really holds up.
Now Mike Olson — CEO of my client Cloudera — has posted his analysis of the matter, in response to an earlier Hortonworks post asserting its claims. In essence, Mike argues:
- It’s ridiculous to say any one company, e.g. Hortonworks, has a controlling position in Hadoop development.
- Such diversity is a Very Good Thing.
- Cloudera folks now contribute and always have contributed to Hadoop at a higher rate than Hortonworks folks.
- If you consider just core Hadoop projects — the most favorable way of counting from a Hadoop standpoint — Hortonworks has a lead, but not all that big of one.
| Categories: Cloudera, Hadoop, Hortonworks, MapReduce, Open source | 6 Comments |
Hadoop notes
I visited California recently, and chatted with numerous companies involved in Hadoop — Cloudera, Hortonworks, MapR, DataStax, Datameer, and more. I’ll defer further Hadoop technical discussions for now — my target to restart them is later this month — but that still leaves some other issues to discuss, namely adoption and partnering.
The total number of enterprises in the world paying subscription and license fees that they would regard as being for “Hadoop or something Hadoop-related” probably is not much over 100 right now, but I’d expect to see pretty rapid growth. Beyond that, let’s divide customers into three groups:
- Internet businesses.
- Traditional enterprises ‘ internet operations.
- Traditional enterprises’ other operations.
Hadoop vendors, in different mixes, claim to be doing well in all three segments. Even so, almost all use cases involve some kind of machine-generated data, with one exception being a credit card vendor crunching a large database of transaction details. Multiple kinds of machine-generated data come into play — web/network/mobile device logs, financial trade data, scientific/experimental data, and more. In particular, pharmaceutical research got some mentions, which makes sense, in that it’s one area of scientific research that actually enjoys fat for-profit research budgets.
| Categories: Cloudera, Hadoop, Health care, Hortonworks, Investment research and trading, Log analysis, MapR, MapReduce, Market share and customer counts, Scientific research, Web analytics | 5 Comments |
HBase is not broken
It turns out that my impression that HBase is broken was unfounded, in at least two ways. The smaller is that something wrong with the HBase/Hadoop interface or Hadoop’s HBase support cannot necessarily be said to be wrong with HBase (especially since HBase is no longer a Hadoop subproject). The bigger reason is that, according to consensus, HBase has worked pretty well since the .90 release in January of this year.
After Michael Stack of StumbleUpon beat me up for a while,* Omer Trajman of Cloudera was kind enough to walk me through HBase usage. He is informed largely by 18 Cloudera customers, plus a handful of other well-known HBase users such as Facebook, StumbleUpon, and Yahoo. Of the 18 Cloudera customers using HBase that Omer was thinking of, 15 are in HBase production, one is in HBase “early production”, one is still doing R&D in the area of HBase, and one is a classified government customer not providing such details. Read more
| Categories: Cloudera, Derived data, Facebook, Hadoop, HBase, Log analysis, Market share and customer counts, Open source, Specific users, Web analytics | 6 Comments |
Hadoop futures and enhancements
Hadoop is immature technology. As such, it naturally offers much room for improvement in both industrial-strengthness and performance. And since Hadoop is booming, multiple efforts are underway to fill those gaps. For example:
- Cloudera’s proprietary code is focused on management, set-up, etc.
- The “Phase 1” plans Hortonworks shared with me for Apache Hadoop are focused on industrial-strengthness, as are significant parts of “Phase 2”.*
- MapR tells a performance story versus generic Apache Hadoop HDFS and MapReduce. (One aspect of same is just C++ vs. Java.)
- So does Hadapt, but mainly vs. Hive.
- Cloudera also tells me there’s a potential 4-5X performance improvement in Hive coming down the pike from what amounts to an optimizer rewrite.
(Zettaset belongs in the discussion too, but made an unfortunate choice of embargo date.)
| Categories: Cloudera, Greenplum, Hadapt, Hadoop, HBase, MapR, MapReduce, Parallelization, Zettaset | 20 Comments |
Cloudera and Hortonworks
My clients at Cloudera have been around for a while, in effect positioned as “the Hadoop company.” Their business, in a nutshell, consists of:
- Packaging up a Cloudera distribution of Apache Hadoop. This distribution doesn’t have proprietary code; it’s just packaged by Cloudera from Apache projects (with a decent minority of the code happening to have been contributed by Cloudera engineers).
- Paid subscription support for Apache Hadoop and, in connection with that …
- … proprietary software that all support customers automatically get. There are two points to this proprietary software:
- It adds value for the customer.
- It makes Cloudera’s support job easier.
- Professional services around Hadoop.
- Training and conferences around Hadoop, which probably don’t generate all that much money, but are great marketing in terms of visibility, thought leadership, and lead generation.
Hortonworks spun out of Yahoo last week, with parts of the Cloudera business model, namely Hadoop support, training, and I guess conferences. Hortonworks emphatically rules out professional services, and says that it will contribute all code back to Apache Hadoop. Hortonworks does grudgingly admit that it might get into the proprietary software business at some point — but evidently hopes that day will never actually come.
| Categories: Cloudera, Hadoop, Hortonworks, IBM and DB2, MapReduce, Open source, Yahoo | 9 Comments |
Hadapt update
I met with the Hadapt guys today. I think I can be a bit crisper than before in positioning Hadapt and its use cases, namely:
- Hadapt is additional software on a cluster that also runs fully functional Hadoop/HDFS. (Cloudera Hadoop more than straight-from-Apache Hadoop to date, but that’s not a requirement.)
- The cluster also runs a DBMS on every node, such as PostgreSQL or one of Infobright/Vectorwise.
- Hadapt’s software manages parallel SQL queries by distributing them to the DBMS living on each node. Hadapt says that the resulting query performance far outshines Hive’s.
- Hadapt further says that, by exploiting the partner DBMS, its SQL functionality outpaces Hive’s as well.
- Target Hadapt use cases are centered around keeping machine-generated or other poly-structured data in Hadoop, and extracting, enhancing, or otherwise deriving some of it to live in the relational store.
- In particular, Hadapt seems like an interesting choice when you want to use that relational data as you work on other data that’s still in HDFS, or if you want to keep using the relational data in other kinds of MapReduce jobs.
- That all fits well with my thoughts about the importance of derived data.
Other evolution from what I wrote about Hadapt a few months ago includes:
- Hadapt is in beta now.
- Hadapt has added adult supervision in the form of Philip Wickline, late of Endeca.
In other news, Hadapt is our newest client.